Hello everyone! In waiting for delivery of my '22 PanAm, I'm shopping around for exhausts. One that I stumbled across was Zard (or here for the folks across the pond). I have not seen or heard of these exhausts...ever. Does anyone know about Zard or other brands that have a fine quality build to them?
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What's the consensus on exhaust brands?
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2022 PAS in black w/ laced wheels, TOCE exhaust, tank bag, highway pegs, & hard box panniers
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I swapped out my stock pipe for a TOCE pipe. I was on the fence between the TOCE & the Jekyll & Hyde pipe. I am happy with the TOCE. It’s LOUD! I bought the baffle to throw in (quick & easy) for days I want to tone it down a bit - which is hardly EVER! 😜
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How loud is the TOCE? With and without the baffle?
Got a db meter on your phone?
The screaming eagle (HD pipe) is around 85-89 db , measured directly behind the bike, 5 feet off the ground, 12 foot from the tail light.
I have a Two Brothers pipe, came with the bike which I bought used. I like the sound, kind of makes it sound more "off roady" but not crazy loud at all. I have not ever run in to another Pan Am in the wild (and I live in Daytona Florida) so I don't know what a stock one sounds like.
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Burns Stainless. They make custom racing exhausts here in SoCal.
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NhB Muffler for Harley Davidson Pan America
** Systems are currently backordered. Please allow a 3 week lead time. ** SOUND CLIPS BELOW Burns Stainless has applied their exhaust expertise and technology to develop mufflers for the new Harley Davidson Pan America Motorcycle. Get away from the sewing machine sound of your bike and make it...
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Working on getting this now. Just downloaded an app to the iPhone to do so.
I'm assuming those measurements are with the bike just idling? And is that in a garage or outside as I'm sure those conditions would probably make a difference in readings.
I will set up in my garage & measure my idle, then measure out in my driveway to see the difference. I’ll post pics shortly.
Outside, at idle. (The slow idle that the bike breaks into after it reaches temp and you've pulled the clutch).
I think the V&H is too loud, (never owned it, just heard it on a another bike) the HD screaming eagle is too quiet (but IS deep). The Jeckle and Hyde sounded good on its loudest setting 118- 125db but I feel like switching it back and forth from quiet to loud caused the bike not to run as well, so I sold it.
All opinions, of course. Data don't lie.
I think the V&H is too loud, (never owned it, just heard it on a another bike) the HD screaming eagle is too quiet (but IS deep). The Jeckle and Hyde sounded good on its loudest setting 118- 125db but I feel like switching it back and forth from quiet to loud caused the bike not to run as well, so I sold it.
All opinions, of course. Data don't lie.
2022 PAS in black w/ laced wheels, TOCE exhaust, tank bag, highway pegs, & hard box panniers
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So I got a measurement on the Decibels with the TOCE pipe without the baffle. It was reading 90-95 at idle. When I throttled the bike it shot up to 120 @ the loudest.
This was also in my garage. I got a video of all this but can’t figure out how to upload it here. I’m going to try to find a way to put it on a cloud somewhere & post a link to it.
This is great! So it's a smidge louder than the HD SE but quiter than V&H and the top setting of J&H...
Excellent info! Thanks for getting it!
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After researching every pipe out there and weighing cost to sound and features, I went with Scorpion. IMO I think it sounds and looks the best and is 600 with no tax or shipping. It's a European company.
One deciding factor was it's popularity, or lack thereof. I didn't want a pipe that everyone else had and how I felt about V&H. I didn't want to go to an event and be one of the other 65% of people with the same pipe. Price is another thing. I think charging over $1,000.00 for a slip-on is a rip off. I remember back in the day a Yoshimura slip-on cost $350.00 for my Suzuki. Now slip-ons are $1,000.00? Part of having money is learning how to spend it wisely, and I won't spend $1,000.00 for a slip-on muffler. Especially if it doesn't even get rid of the resonator (Ahem, Akrapovic)
One deciding factor was it's popularity, or lack thereof. I didn't want a pipe that everyone else had and how I felt about V&H. I didn't want to go to an event and be one of the other 65% of people with the same pipe. Price is another thing. I think charging over $1,000.00 for a slip-on is a rip off. I remember back in the day a Yoshimura slip-on cost $350.00 for my Suzuki. Now slip-ons are $1,000.00? Part of having money is learning how to spend it wisely, and I won't spend $1,000.00 for a slip-on muffler. Especially if it doesn't even get rid of the resonator (Ahem, Akrapovic)
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Has anyone installed the Fuel Moto slip on yet? If so, are there any videos so I can hear what it sounds like? Thanks!
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Has anyone simply installed an aftermarket midpipe?
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Just installed the Vance & Hines pipe.
Awesome sound and a noticeable power difference around 6000 rpm that definitely wasn't there with the stock pipe
Awesome sound and a noticeable power difference around 6000 rpm that definitely wasn't there with the stock pipe
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The V&H pipe is on my list, did you go for the stainless or black and do you think it needs a tuner or not? Thanks
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I went with Black and I haven't checked with my dealership yet regarding a tuner. Last time I talked with my service manager about that, he told me HD didn't offer a tuner yet so even the Screaming Eagle pipe was just a plug and play
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