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Hello, first time posting here. I bought a new 2022 Pan America Special back in July, put about 1800 miles on it, but the last 200 miles were plagued with problems.

While out riding with my wife and a group of friends, the check engine light came on. I soon found that I could barely accelerate, and could not get the engine to go over about 4000 rmps, no matter the gear. I fell behind the group on a long hill. I caught up on the downhill side and stopped for lunch where I was able to clear a code, and the check engine light. We made it back to town and went home, clearing the check engine a few more times. I took the bike in to the dealer and explained the problem. They thought they were going to do me a favor by getting me in and clearing codes and updating software. I brought it in a couple times in which apparently they did nothing to check for problems.

I took the bike in to the shop in November and on the way drop it off, the adaptive ride height failed. Fault light was on as well. The bike sat at the Harley dealer for most of the month and they replaced the right hand control module. They cleared the check engine light and sent me on the way. On the way home from picking it up, the check engile light came on again a few miles from home. I made it home and told them to come pick up the bike and fix it. The bike was at the dealer for another month. The work order this time stated "found cam timing codes. cam timing controled by oil pressure. oil pressure spec is 15-20psi at 1500rpm. measured 45 psi oil pressure spec at 4000 rpm 38-45psi measured 60+psi. reco replacing oil pump." They replaced the pump, didn't help. Harley (Corporate) sent a tech out here to Oregon to fix it and assured me that it would be fixed while he was here.

At this point I had already been speaking to a lemon law lawyer. They reviewed the documentation I had collected and said I had a "lemon case for sure, and easily won, IF......"

The IF, is because the documentation was all shorthand and incomplete through the visits, dates were wrong and overlapping. She said I would have to sue the dealer for proper documentation, and then Harley for the lemon. She said she didnt have time and told me to get a general practice lawyer. She said otherwise best case scenario would be that the dealer may offer to buy my bike as used.

As Harley corporate was involved at this point, luckily the dealer was no longer in control of my fate. The tech from Milwaukee couldnt fix it. They told the dealer to replace my bike with another new 2022 Pan Am. Lucky me as I would have incurred costly lawer fees to prove the lemon case.

Here I am, on Pan America number 2. I hope it works out better, but the lesson I learned is never let the dealer do work on your bike without a proper work order, with full sentences explaining why the bike is there, with proper dates. When picking it up, ensure that all work done was documented, with correct dates.

Hoping for the best now, ready to put some miles on, check engine free.
 
Hello, first time posting here. I bought a new 2022 Pan America Special back in July, put about 1800 miles on it, but the last 200 miles were plagued with problems.

While out riding with my wife and a group of friends, the check engine light came on. I soon found that I could barely accelerate, and could not get the engine to go over about 4000 rmps, no matter the gear. I fell behind the group on a long hill. I caught up on the downhill side and stopped for lunch where I was able to clear a code, and the check engine light. We made it back to town and went home, clearing the check engine a few more times. I took the bike in to the dealer and explained the problem. They thought they were going to do me a favor by getting me in and clearing codes and updating software. I brought it in a couple times in which apparently they did nothing to check for problems.

I took the bike in to the shop in November and on the way drop it off, the adaptive ride height failed. Fault light was on as well. The bike sat at the Harley dealer for most of the month and they replaced the right hand control module. They cleared the check engine light and sent me on the way. On the way home from picking it up, the check engile light came on again a few miles from home. I made it home and told them to come pick up the bike and fix it. The bike was at the dealer for another month. The work order this time stated "found cam timing codes. cam timing controled by oil pressure. oil pressure spec is 15-20psi at 1500rpm. measured 45 psi oil pressure spec at 4000 rpm 38-45psi measured 60+psi. reco replacing oil pump." They replaced the pump, didn't help. Harley (Corporate) sent a tech out here to Oregon to fix it and assured me that it would be fixed while he was here.

At this point I had already been speaking to a lemon law lawyer. They reviewed the documentation I had collected and said I had a "lemon case for sure, and easily won, IF......"

The IF, is because the documentation was all shorthand and incomplete through the visits, dates were wrong and overlapping. She said I would have to sue the dealer for proper documentation, and then Harley for the lemon. She said she didnt have time and told me to get a general practice lawyer. She said otherwise best case scenario would be that the dealer may offer to buy my bike as used.

As Harley corporate was involved at this point, luckily the dealer was no longer in control of my fate. The tech from Milwaukee couldnt fix it. They told the dealer to replace my bike with another new 2022 Pan Am. Lucky me as I would have incurred costly lawer fees to prove the lemon case.

Here I am, on Pan America number 2. I hope it works out better, but the lesson I learned is never let the dealer do work on your bike without a proper work order, with full sentences explaining why the bike is there, with proper dates. When picking it up, ensure that all work done was documented, with correct dates.

Hoping for the best now, ready to put some miles on, check engine free.
Really good things to know. Thanks for posting this. My PA (2022) has been excellent so far. I can't imagine how frustrating all of that must have been for you.................you are obviously a more patient person than myself.
 
Thank you for your post Ryan. I can only imagine the frustration you must have gone through. Great information to know about service performance documentation. Hoping your new PA, has none of your previous issues. Take care and ride on!
 
Sorry for your hassles, that is unacceptable!
Knock on wood, my PA has been great, so far with 8.000 miles. I really love the machine, but it is apparently rife with issues. To me,, the problem is , unless specifically trained on the Pan America, the Harley mechanic can not be expected to work on this.
For bettor or worse, this machine did not "evolve", but complete
new design. Therefore all new mechanical processes.

Harley really needs to focus on training mechanics. Esp. as they expand the model line.
 
Hello, first time posting here. I bought a new 2022 Pan America Special back in July, put about 1800 miles on it, but the last 200 miles were plagued with problems.

While out riding with my wife and a group of friends, the check engine light came on. I soon found that I could barely accelerate, and could not get the engine to go over about 4000 rmps, no matter the gear. I fell behind the group on a long hill. I caught up on the downhill side and stopped for lunch where I was able to clear a code, and the check engine light. We made it back to town and went home, clearing the check engine a few more times. I took the bike in to the dealer and explained the problem. They thought they were going to do me a favor by getting me in and clearing codes and updating software. I brought it in a couple times in which apparently they did nothing to check for problems.

I took the bike in to the shop in November and on the way drop it off, the adaptive ride height failed. Fault light was on as well. The bike sat at the Harley dealer for most of the month and they replaced the right hand control module. They cleared the check engine light and sent me on the way. On the way home from picking it up, the check engile light came on again a few miles from home. I made it home and told them to come pick up the bike and fix it. The bike was at the dealer for another month. The work order this time stated "found cam timing codes. cam timing controled by oil pressure. oil pressure spec is 15-20psi at 1500rpm. measured 45 psi oil pressure spec at 4000 rpm 38-45psi measured 60+psi. reco replacing oil pump." They replaced the pump, didn't help. Harley (Corporate) sent a tech out here to Oregon to fix it and assured me that it would be fixed while he was here.

At this point I had already been speaking to a lemon law lawyer. They reviewed the documentation I had collected and said I had a "lemon case for sure, and easily won, IF......"

The IF, is because the documentation was all shorthand and incomplete through the visits, dates were wrong and overlapping. She said I would have to sue the dealer for proper documentation, and then Harley for the lemon. She said she didnt have time and told me to get a general practice lawyer. She said otherwise best case scenario would be that the dealer may offer to buy my bike as used.

As Harley corporate was involved at this point, luckily the dealer was no longer in control of my fate. The tech from Milwaukee couldnt fix it. They told the dealer to replace my bike with another new 2022 Pan Am. Lucky me as I would have incurred costly lawer fees to prove the lemon case.

Here I am, on Pan America number 2. I hope it works out better, but the lesson I learned is never let the dealer do work on your bike without a proper work order, with full sentences explaining why the bike is there, with proper dates. When picking it up, ensure that all work done was documented, with correct dates.

Hoping for the best now, ready to put some miles on, check engine free.
Change dealers (if practical) and get them to download M1579 Revolution Max BCM and ECM release date from 1/24/2023. Mine had similar issues starting at about the 5k miles mark. I've only had the software load on for a week but have put a couple hundred miles on so far with temps as low as 40F degrees and no fault codes or problems starting so far.
 
What a pain in the ass to jump through those hoops BUT YES YES YES, they put you on a replacement 2022. That's the BEST outcome IMHO. We'll follow this chain closely to see what other code adventures you come across but it is VERY HELPFUL for us to see this path because IF just IF we feel we're going down your path, I WILL RUN TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE AND spell out to them give me a new bike. Your fight to do so has helped the next guy be able to do so. I'm certain of it. :cool:
 
Sorry for your hassles, that is unacceptable!
Knock on wood, my PA has been great, so far with 8.000 miles. I really love the machine, but it is apparently rife with issues. To me,, the problem is , unless specifically trained on the Pan America, the Harley mechanic can not be expected to work on this.
For bettor or worse, this machine did not "evolve", but complete
new design. Therefore all new mechanical processes.

Harley really needs to focus on training mechanics. Esp. as they expand the model line.
My ‘21 has been the worst bike I’ve ever owned. The dealership is everything, and luckily I have a good one. The service manager has one and always gets back up and running. I have lost confidence in the bike and the MoCo. I just had my Stator replaced. What’s next, fuel pump or oil pump?
 
I’m in the same situation, if it was not for the dealer taking care of me the bike would be gone. I love the bike but, there’s always a problem with it. I feel sorry for the owners that don’t have good dealer support, they are basically screwed.
 
Constant issues with my 2022. 8 trips to the dealer, 4 of which they had no paperwork for, they stated, "We cleared the codes and re-flashed the computer, should take care of it" Nope, same crap. Random codes. Suspension erratic and going up/down at freeway speeds. Shut down in freeway traffic on my commute home in the express lanes. I was told to keep it on a battery tender in a heated space, and try to avoid riding when it is cold or wet out. In Seattle for f*cks sake? Same issues with the lemon law crap, dealer states they "didn't really do a service, and can't get the bike to show the same codes" They will try to sell me an extended warranty for a crap ton of money though......
 
Keep it warm, charged, and dry. Guess that's unfortunately your dealer's version of what an "adventure" consists of. Perhaps the bike could use a 🍼, the dealer deserves 🖕
 
Hello, first time posting here. I bought a new 2022 Pan America Special back in July, put about 1800 miles on it, but the last 200 miles were plagued with problems.

While out riding with my wife and a group of friends, the check engine light came on. I soon found that I could barely accelerate, and could not get the engine to go over about 4000 rmps, no matter the gear. I fell behind the group on a long hill. I caught up on the downhill side and stopped for lunch where I was able to clear a code, and the check engine light. We made it back to town and went home, clearing the check engine a few more times. I took the bike in to the dealer and explained the problem. They thought they were going to do me a favor by getting me in and clearing codes and updating software. I brought it in a couple times in which apparently they did nothing to check for problems.

I took the bike in to the shop in November and on the way drop it off, the adaptive ride height failed. Fault light was on as well. The bike sat at the Harley dealer for most of the month and they replaced the right hand control module. They cleared the check engine light and sent me on the way. On the way home from picking it up, the check engile light came on again a few miles from home. I made it home and told them to come pick up the bike and fix it. The bike was at the dealer for another month. The work order this time stated "found cam timing codes. cam timing controled by oil pressure. oil pressure spec is 15-20psi at 1500rpm. measured 45 psi oil pressure spec at 4000 rpm 38-45psi measured 60+psi. reco replacing oil pump." They replaced the pump, didn't help. Harley (Corporate) sent a tech out here to Oregon to fix it and assured me that it would be fixed while he was here.

At this point I had already been speaking to a lemon law lawyer. They reviewed the documentation I had collected and said I had a "lemon case for sure, and easily won, IF......"

The IF, is because the documentation was all shorthand and incomplete through the visits, dates were wrong and overlapping. She said I would have to sue the dealer for proper documentation, and then Harley for the lemon. She said she didnt have time and told me to get a general practice lawyer. She said otherwise best case scenario would be that the dealer may offer to buy my bike as used.

As Harley corporate was involved at this point, luckily the dealer was no longer in control of my fate. The tech from Milwaukee couldnt fix it. They told the dealer to replace my bike with another new 2022 Pan Am. Lucky me as I would have incurred costly lawer fees to prove the lemon case.

Here I am, on Pan America number 2. I hope it works out better, but the lesson I learned is never let the dealer do work on your bike without a proper work order, with full sentences explaining why the bike is there, with proper dates. When picking it up, ensure that all work done was documented, with correct dates.

Hoping for the best now, ready to put some miles on, check engine free.
Ryan it is Aug of 2024. I just read your post as I am researching whether I want to buy a Pan AM or not. I got to know, how is Pan Am #2 treating you?
 
Ryan it is Aug of 2024. I just read your post as I am researching whether I want to buy a Pan AM or not. I got to know, how is Pan Am #2 treating you?
I had a 21 PA special that HD bought back, loved the bike but it was a problem child. They replaced it with a 24 special and the bike has been perfect, not one problem so far. I would not buy a Pan America that was not a 24 or later model, not worth taking the chance and the 24 will have a better resale value down the road. The bike is amazing and I'm glad I stuck it out and didn't walk away from it.
 
Very cool! Thank You for taking the time to get back to me.

I rented one last week at Eaglerider in Vegas and jammed around the desert all day and friggin loved it! What a nice change from my beloved 92 Fatboy that I have been pushing around for 32 years. After researching the Pan Am reliability issues until my eyes went crossed, my conclusion was heading towards a 24 model or later. Your reply is great confirmation. I am an ol' school guy; My Fatboy has not seen a dealer since purchased. Frequent trips to a dealer with a problem child will throw me into a tail spin.

Thanks again for the reply!
Bobby D
 
What dealer was this? I'm having a lot of issues with my 2025 Pan Am. It's in the shop for a 3rd time in less than 2 months. I'm wondering if it's the same dealer and what your final outcome was of the situation? Did the new Pan Am work out for you? I am also going down the road of a lemon law buyback. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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