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I have a 2024 PAS that I bought used from the dealership about a week ago. It had about 1000 miles on the clock, looked showroom fresh, and I was able to work a pretty good deal, so down the road I went with another bike for the garage.
I've put a couple hundred miles on it in the last week and have been extremely happy with the bike during that short time. Plenty of power, comfortable, nimble, and with all the cool little features to satisfy the little boy in me.
Last night, I was taking a ride over to visit my parents and during a slow speed left turn onto their street, the bike just shut down. No flicker on the dash, no other warnings, just felt like I'd killed the engine. I pulled the clutch and hit the starter while I was still rolling, and it fired back up with no issues. I didn't have any trouble codes showing and no warning indicators on the dash.
Fast forward about an hour and I was on my way back home when I noticed the triangle indicator on my screen. When I checked the diagnostic codes while sitting at a traffic light, I had one listed for the BCM. I planned to take a photo of it when I got home and look it up, but didn't realize that when you cycle the ignition, it clears old codes, so I don't have it...
I know there have been others who have experienced this behavior, but I'm wondering if anyone has had it resolved? I thought most of the bugs were worked out with the 2024 models, but clearly not all.
 
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The intermittent dying is almost impossible to replicate in a dealer setting and hence, you may never find out why. In relevance to your triangle, it's likely that the code was "pending" and that upon another ignition cycle, the parameters for the DTC were no longer met; hence the warning triangle disappeared and the code either disappeared or turned historic. The 24 Pan Ams haven't had too much reported hardware failure, but the software (especially the CANBUS) are still buggier than virtually all the competition aside from KTM.
 
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Hello @7kings , as the member above said, its hard to recreate those issues and its likely your code was "pending". If it comes back and changes to "C" (for confirmed) its probably something like a control module or something. Should be a warranty thing. Also mentioned, and worth saying is that the '24s are really better about gremlins so even if you dont keep it on a tender (which i think you should do), it should be fine.

But I will say one thing that surprised me when I got my brand new '22... Its easy to hit the killswitch with a glove. I did it twice and have learned to stay away from it. Others have reported this too. Since you mentioned this happened in a turn, that may have happened. Even a small bump on it will kill the bike, unlike my other HD's. Not saying thats exactly what happened, but its something to watch out for. Hope things on the bike even out for you.
 
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tvond said:
Hello @7kings , as the member above said, its hard to recreate those issues and its likely your code was "pending". If it comes back and changes to "C" (for confirmed) its probably something like a control module or something. Should be a warranty thing. Also mentioned, and worth saying is that the '24s are really better about gremlins so even if you dont keep it on a tender (which i think you should do), it should be fine.

But I will say one thing that surprised me when I got my brand new '22... Its easy to hit the killswitch with a glove. I did it twice and have learned to stay away from it. Others have reported this too. Since you mentioned this happened in a turn, that may have happened. Even a small bump on it will kill the bike, unlike my other HD's. Not saying thats exactly what happened, but its something to watch out for. Hope things on the bike even out for you.
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I'm pretty sure I didn't hit the switch by accident for two reasons - firstly, none of the lights or console shut off or even flickered. Second, to restart it, all I did was hit the starter button again while I was still rolling. That being said, I honestly don't know what happened, so at this point I'll just keep an eye on it and hope it doesn't resurface again.

Other than this one instance, I haven't had any indication of issues with the bike (granted, I've only had it a week and a couple hundred miles).
 
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7kings said:
I'm pretty sure I didn't hit the switch by accident for two reasons - firstly, none of the lights or console shut off or even flickered. Second, to restart it, all I did was hit the starter button again while I was still rolling. That being said, I honestly don't know what happened, so at this point I'll just keep an eye on it and hope it doesn't resurface again.

Other than this one instance, I haven't had any indication of issues with the bike (granted, I've only had it a week and a couple hundred miles).
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Do a test, with the engine running and very quickly, disconnect and reconnect...:inseguro:
 
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7kings said:
I'm pretty sure I didn't hit the switch by accident for two reasons - firstly, none of the lights or console shut off or even flickered. Second, to restart it, all I did was hit the starter button again while I was still rolling. That being said, I honestly don't know what happened, so at this point I'll just keep an eye on it and hope it doesn't resurface again.

Other than this one instance, I haven't had any indication of issues with the bike (granted, I've only had it a week and a couple hundred miles).
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I have had this happen a couple times, usually at slow speed either approaching a stop light or making a turn. Almost every time I was also skipping through a playlist or doing something else on the buttons. I’d start to freak out but then after a bit each and every time it was me having bumped the switch. I just look out for it now.

Hope yours is a switch bump!
 
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JE88 said:
I have had this happen a couple times, usually at slow speed either approaching a stop light or making a turn. Almost every time I was also skipping through a playlist or doing something else on the buttons. I’d start to freak out but then after a bit each and every time it was me having bumped the switch. I just look out for it now.

Hope yours is a switch bump!
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The audio buttons are on on the left controls and the starter/kill switch is on the right. I put 50k miles on a PAS in a year and still can't comprehend how you could accidently hit the kill switch without deliberately doing so. Even in negative temperatures with thick gloves and bar muffs, It still didn't seem like an easy thing to do. Not at all calling you a liar, but I genuinely don't understand how this happens.
 
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Panamfan123 said:
The audio buttons are on on the left controls and the starter/kill switch is on the right. I put 50k miles on a PAS in a year and still can't comprehend how you could accidently hit the kill switch without deliberately doing so. Even in negative temperatures with thick gloves and bar muffs, It still didn't seem like an easy thing to do. Not at all calling you a liar, but I genuinely don't understand how this happens.
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Panamfan123 said:
The audio buttons are on on the left controls and the starter/kill switch is on the right. I put 50k miles on a PAS in a year and still can't comprehend how you could accidently hit the kill switch without deliberately doing so. Even in negative temperatures with thick gloves and bar muffs, It still didn't seem like an easy thing to do. Not at all calling you a liar, but I genuinely don't understand how this happens.
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Audio is on the right side handlebar— same side as the kill switch. It has happened to me three times. All three occurred when rolling my thumb over the handlebar to get a better “reach” on the buttons. With that hand rolling motion the open palm catches the switch and drags across it, swiping it down and off.
This is not something that happens at speed when your guard is up, you’re paying attention, and being deliberate with your movements but rather when going very slowly and not paying attention.

Do you use the Sena 50s and control it through the handlebar? What we should really be talking about here is how your playlists are clearly better than mine and you don’t need to skip through songs 🤣
 
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I appreciate the replies - I wasn't messing with any controls at the time and was focused on my left-hand turn into the darkened street. I wonder if the idle dropped too low when I rolled off the throttle and pulled the clutch and the bike stalled before the ECU could correct for it?

In any case, neither the behavior nor the trouble code have resurfaced again. I'm hoping it was just a fluke that won't recur, but I'll be keeping my eyes on it for now.
 
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It happened to me once on my 2024. I was engine braking in 3rd gear on a sharp freeway off ramp, pulled the clutch and the bike just stalled. I rolled to a stop on side of road, put it in neutral and started it back up. Hasn't happened since. Gremlins.
 
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I would like to add to this mystery cutout condition. I was waiting to go thru a round-about and when engaged the clutch and throttle the engine just stopped. My first thought was, "what a rookie", stalled at take-off. I hit the starter button - nothing. What?:eek: I cycled the on/off lever and hit the starter again and it started. As I was going through the round-about the yellow triangle warning lamp lit up. When I reached my home I went through the display console to find any codes and none appeared. I started the engine and the yellow triangle did not appear.

Then I pulled out my trusty MT700 scanner and read two historic faults in the BCM. The first was a network error, U142100 Invalid Tip Signal and the second was a body fault, B22702A, Accelerometer Stuck.

Any ideas are welcome. :unsure:
 
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