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Pan America is the best bike HD ever made. Only down side is you can't blast your stereo super loud for everyone to hear. It's the fastest. Most agile, versatile, and best performing machine they have ever made. Not a debate. It just is.
It might be good for a Harley, but it's not good. The reason why the Pan Am is a total sales flop is due to people benchmarking it against other Harleys when they should have been benchmarking it against other ADVs.
 
It might be good for a Harley, but it's not good. The reason why the Pan Am is a total sales flop is due to people benchmarking it against other Harleys whn they should have been benchmarking it against other ADVs.
Well maybe I don't know better but everyone stops to look, amd it's the best bike I ever had. Not bad for $20k. Brembo brakes. Can't beat the suspension. Power will never be a problem. I'm happy.
 
Well maybe I don't know better but everyone stops to look, amd it's the best bike I ever had. Not bad for $20k. Brembo brakes. Can't beat the suspension. Power will never be a problem. I'm happy.
Has more power than the BMW and is lighter. The KTM has 10 more hp claimed at 1290ccs. Mkre power than Yamaha. I'm not seeing the big loss by buying the PA. I'll keep it. And I'll keep turning heads and giving praise where it's due.
 
Well maybe I don't know better but everyone stops to look, amd it's the best bike I ever had. Not bad for $20k. Brembo brakes. Can't beat the suspension. Power will never be a problem. I'm happy.
I must agree with Hefferisacow on the "everyone stops to look". I also get "that's a Harley?" wow, nice machine!. Usually the next 10 minutes is spent looking over the PA and many have said I need to take a closer look at that one. :)

I also agree about the engineering and stress for quality in workmanship. When I rode sport bikes I usually spent the next few months after purchase adding better brakes, better fluid hoses, better suspension, etc., etc. With the PA I have been adding creature comforts but did not need to add the performance items. (y)

If the Board needs some assistance in visualizing the future they need to read Free Ride by Willie G. and maybe get a good understanding on how much dedication and long term view the Harley and Davidson founders and family had through the decades. Or, ask Willie G to come over and have a sit-down. I saw one comment from a press article about the CEO current retirement that ALL Board members should be riders. Probably not a bad suggestion because I'm not sure what making coffee at Starbucks or managing a large foundation has to due with designing, manufacturing and selling motorcycles. JMHO:unsure:

One Board member in particular needs to grow up and learn that their personal dissatisfaction is not grounds for trying to gain notoriety in the press. You should have expressed that in earlier Board meetings, talked to fellow shareholders or used many other avenues for persuasion. You begin to wonder what is the real motivation of such actions?
 
Pan America is the best bike HD ever made. Only down side is you can't blast your stereo super loud for everyone to hear. It's the fastest. Most agile, versatile, and best performing machine they have ever made. Not a debate. It just is.
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The Board announced the new CEO today:


Another non-motorcycle guy, go figure. I guess trying a retail guy didn’t work, so now let’s try an entertainment guy as this new one is the former head of Top Golf, which is losing money since they merged with Calloway, so they’re separating the companies again…. Prior to that he ran Pizza Hut. I guess all of this qualifies him to run an American icon motorcycle company….. WTF.

I just don’t get it….. This is gonna be another shit show me thinks…..🤷🏼‍♂️
 
They don’t have many choices.. Keenu Reeves already has his own motorcycle company and Evel Knievel is dead… I’m not aware of too many American motorcycle icons left. Most have gone the way of Harley Davidson itself, Unfortunately…..
Among other candidates, I had read they were interviewing the former CEO of Fox Suspension who now owns a HD dealership
 
Now before we become tooo pessimistic lets examine the background.

1. Investment banker - doesn't make anything, doesn't take responsibility for anything, hit-& run strategy, no raw material/supplier interface required, tells everyone involved that a bucket full of shit smells like perfume, gets paid, leaves the outcome behind and goes on to the next project.

1a. Rave cinemas - industry is dead.

2. Pizza Hut - makes a product that takes 2 minutes to prepare and cook, no R&D, people interface with the product for about 30 minutes, no one wears a Pizza Hut jacket to identify with the company, unless they are an employee at the restaurant, low tech, rapid mass production is king, raw material substitution easy as buying from the local grocery store except for the fake cheese. Expansion of foreign locations was claim to fame during tenure which costs very little as most of the expense is taken on by the franchisee, 2019 closed 500 restaurants, 2020 closed 300 restaurants.

3. Topgolf - does not make a product, no R&D, no raw material/supplier logistics, entertainment venue for non-serious party-time golfers, expanded into 5 countries in Asia & Europe, forgot the U.S., grew revenue by expansion in new markets, not existing markets, low cost to expand departure from company takes place at the same time TopGolf is spun out of Callaway after only 4 years from when Callaway took control of TopGolf, spin-off due to slowing revenue at TopGolf.

4. Harley-Davidson - manufacturer of a highly developed engineered product, R&D critical, Q & A critical, logistical error-free execution critical, distribution of product and support of dealer network critical, well established manufacturing facilities in the U.S., strong and dedicated U.S. based dealership, strong and dedicated America customer base, expansion into foreign markets takes time, dedication and money, probably more than 5 years before results are experienced and will hit the financials, attraction in foreign markets is because product is American made and not mass market, image is NOT mass market.

WHAT ME WORRY?
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My biggest concern? No mention of him riding anything, ever!
 
My biggest concern? No mention of him riding anything, ever!
Even if he did ride, I'm still not full of confidence in this decision.

I read Lance Oliver's article over on Revzilla on this and agree with his sentiment that if a business is just about moving commodity products, then running a business is running a business.

But Harley Davidson is a passion brand. Nobody is passionate about Pizza Hut!

They need to take steps to keep the brand relevant to both the existing customer base as well as new ones, while delivering quality bikes that back it up at prices that are not outrageous.

Another job of a good CEO is to establish a company culture that inspires employees to want to stay and do their best. I have no idea what the corporate culture was like at Pizza Hut or Top Golf during his tenure.

Maybe he can do it, time will tell.
 
Now before we become tooo pessimistic lets examine the background.

1. Investment banker - doesn't make anything, doesn't take responsibility for anything, hit-& run strategy, no raw material/supplier interface required, tells everyone involved that a bucket full of shit smells like perfume, gets paid, leaves the outcome behind and goes on to the next project.

1a. Rave cinemas - industry is dead.

2. Pizza Hut - makes a product that takes 2 minutes to prepare and cook, no R&D, people interface with the product for about 30 minutes, no one wears a Pizza Hut jacket to identify with the company, unless they are an employee at the restaurant, low tech, rapid mass production is king, raw material substitution easy as buying from the local grocery store except for the fake cheese. Expansion of foreign locations was claim to fame during tenure which costs very little as most of the expense is taken on by the franchisee, 2019 closed 500 restaurants, 2020 closed 300 restaurants.

3. Topgolf - does not make a product, no R&D, no raw material/supplier logistics, entertainment venue for non-serious party-time golfers, expanded into 5 countries in Asia & Europe, forgot the U.S., grew revenue by expansion in new markets, not existing markets, low cost to expand departure from company takes place at the same time TopGolf is spun out of Callaway after only 4 years from when Callaway took control of TopGolf, spin-off due to slowing revenue at TopGolf.

4. Harley-Davidson - manufacturer of a highly developed engineered product, R&D critical, Q & A critical, logistical error-free execution critical, distribution of product and support of dealer network critical, well established manufacturing facilities in the U.S., strong and dedicated U.S. based dealership, strong and dedicated America customer base, expansion into foreign markets takes time, dedication and money, probably more than 5 years before results are experienced and will hit the financials, attraction in foreign markets is because product is American made and not mass market, image is NOT mass market.

WHAT ME WORRY?
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My biggest concern? No mention of him riding anything, ever!
That just about sums it up, but in a much more intelligent way than I could express……
 
Even if he did ride, I'm still not full of confidence in this decision.

I read Lance Oliver's article over on Revzilla on this and agree with his sentiment that if a business is just about moving commodity products, then running a business is running a business.

But Harley Davidson is a passion brand. Nobody is passionate about Pizza Hut!

They need to take steps to keep the brand relevant to both the existing customer base as well as new ones, while delivering quality bikes that back it up at prices that are not outrageous.

Another job of a good CEO is to establish a company culture that inspires employees to want to stay and do their best. I have no idea what the corporate culture was like at Pizza Hut or Top Golf during his tenure.

Maybe he can do it, time will tell.
100%……. This explains my comment about Harley being an iconic American company. It’s almost like if you are the CEO of Harley you have somewhat of a fiduciary responsibility to the brand, the culture, the employees, and the customers……. We’ll see what happens I guess……
 
if you are the CEO of Harley you have somewhat of a fiduciary responsibility to the brand, the employees, and the customers……
As a matter of law, the fiduciary responsibility is to the shareholders. Some companies/leaders only look at that for the short term, and take steps to minimize cost to maximize profits no matter what, which is rarely a sustainable model. Better companies/leaders take steps to ensure the company is viable for the long term.
 
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